Fw: Marines at PTA

FYI

What was conveyed to me about air sampling was that the Gamma Scout detectors were not sensitive enough to pick up the low levels of dust borne radiation.  In general I agree that all things being equal (like the number of minutes sampled) the more sensitive equipment, the better - but the question remains could the Gamma Scouts have picked up dust borne U which gave counts of about 75 dpm (which occured four times over 500 minutes)?  Both Mr Takata and Dr Allard said that one would need a huge chunk of the material to give that kind of reading.   Something not in the dust.   I was told to do the calculations.  I did - from two separate sources I calculated both by surface area and by weight the amount needed to give 75 DPM (the back ground being about 20 at that elevation).  I get very small amounts and have a demo piece (of lead) in a plastic bag to get some idea of the small amount.  I respectfully wrote Mr Takata and Dr Allard twice with my references (along with references questioning their mis-statement that DU will not burn unless at high temps) - I have not gotten an answer.  The tiny piece of lead sits in a plastic bag on my desk (and the amt needed is 1/50 of this, since I did not want to weigh the piece down to the "invisible" limits). 
 
By the way, the demo of the reading of the DU piece given before the Senate - what was the point?  The readings a few inches from the material were through a plastic bag.  Can plastic stop alpha?  Was alpha being read?  Recall there were no questions allowed form the audience attending during this "transparent" investigation, one really need define this term in the Army brochure if it does or does not include questions from the audience. .  
 
The argument for allowing training in all areas is not in accordance with the precautionary priniciple.  We know for sure that AT LEAST Davy Crocketts were used.  Beyond this miliitary is not willing to give a statement but is looking.  Until all areas are proven clear of radiation I do not see how the military can continue to train - at least without informed consent of those involved.  And those down wind. 
 
Lorrin
(as private citizen) 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Marines at PTA

Jim,
What I told you is accurate.  The areas where the Davy Crockett spotter rounds were used and where DU was found is restricted.  The Marine Corps is not allowed to use that impact area.  When I said, "no dispersal," this is based on the latest survey that DU was only found in the Davy Crockett spotter round impact area. Further work continues at PTA to answer concerns. 
 
Regarding your pressing request that DOH and Army provide a statement that "no other DU munitions have been used," COL Killian is working with other services to address this issue.  At this point in time, COL Killian doesn't know and I don't know.  That is the reason why air monitoring and analyses are important in answering the question on the extent of DU presence.  And, this is exactly what is being worked on now. 
 
Please bring in the microR to the Environmental Health Office in Hilo since it is due for calibration. I 'll continue to loan you another one if you wish. Please let me know.
 
A continuous 24/7 monitoring will only give you radiation levels down to the micro- level.  As I told you last year, the detector should be a scintillator, not a Geiger-Mueller detector which is used in the Gamma Scout.  This was also conveyed to Dr. Pang when he met with David Allard and me in late January.  Filter collection and analyses are required for determination of radiation levels at the pico- level and the presence of DU versus natural uranium. 
 
Russ

From: Jim Albertini [mailto:ja@interpac.net]
Sent: Sat 2/23/2008 10:28 PM
To: Takata, Russell S.
Cc: j Yoshimoto; Brenda Ford; Emily Naeole; Dominic Yagong; Harry Kim; Bob Jacobson; Angel Pilago; Donald Ikeda; Pete Hoffmann; Stacy K. Higa; Andy Levin; Janet Snyder; Barbara Bell; Nelson Ho; Chris Yuen; Charmaine Shigemura; Faye Hanohano; Dwight Takamine; Cindy Evans; Robert N. Herkes; Jerry L. Chang; Russell S. Kokubun; Lorrainne R. Inouye; panghi@hawaii.rr.com
Subject: Re: Marines at PTA

Aloha Russ,
Mahalo for your prompt reply. However, your assumption --"there is no dispersal" appears to be without basis  Your assumption appears to be  based on the Davy Crocket impact area and a buffer being restricted.  What we do not have from you and the Army is statement, with supporting search data,  that NO other DU munitions have been used at PTA.  As I understand military policy, prior to 1996 DU penetrator rounds were NOT prohibited in training.  In addition there may have been other DU spotting rounds besides Davy Crockett used in training at PTA and other sites in Hawaii.  We have not seen any signed statements from various military branches about kinds of weapons used at PTA and other range areas in Hawaii.
Remember for years the Army said that NO DU was used in Hawaii.  They have been proved wrong and exposed by peace activists, not the DOH.  Please tell me the basis of your assumption that NO DU exists outside the Davy Crockett impact area.
 
I appreciate your offer of an exchange microR meter in March.  It is useful but what we really need is 360 degree continuous monitoring around PTA with a paper trail and the real time data available to residents from home computers.  Of particular concern are the spikes that may appear from such monitoring.  The cost of such a system is minor compared to recent crash of the $1.2billion B-2 bomber in Guam and the $150,000 in fuel it cost each time for a bombing run from Guam to Hawaii.  Ask the "King of Pork" Char Sui man himself, Dan Inouye, to provide the cash for the monitoring.
 
Mahalo.
.
Jim Albertini
Malu `Aina Center For Non-violent Education & Action
P.O. Box AB
`Ola`a (Kurtistown), Hawaii 96760
Phone 808-966-7622
email ja@interpac.net
www.malu-aina.org
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Marines at PTA

Jim,
Surveys subsequent to the initial scoping survey have verified DU in the expected Davy Crockett impact areas. These impact areas, including buffer zone, have been restricted for use. This includes the Marines.  Therefore, there is no dispersal.    
Development of air monitoring project continues.
By the way, the microR meter I loaned to you is due for calibration in March.  I will provide an exchange for you next month.
Russ   
    


From: Jim Albertini [mailto:ja@interpac.net]
Sent: Fri 2/22/2008 10:00 PM
To: Takata, Russell S.
Cc: j Yoshimoto; Brenda Ford; Emily Naeole; Dominic Yagong; Harry Kim; Bob Jacobson; Angel Pilago; Donald Ikeda; Pete Hoffmann; Stacy K. Higa; Andy Levin; Janet Snyder; Barbara Bell; Nelson Ho; Chris Yuen; Charmaine Shigemura; Faye Hanohano; Dwight Takamine; Cindy Evans; Robert N. Herkes; Jerry L. Chang; Russell S. Kokubun; Lorrainne R. Inouye
Subject: Marines at PTA

Aloha Russ,
2000 Marines from Kaneohe and Okinawa are up at PTA with their big guns.  Who is monitoring for dispersal of DU if anybody?
Jim Albertini
Malu `Aina Center For Non-violent Education & Action
P.O. Box AB
`Ola`a (Kurtistown), Hawaii 96760
Phone 808-966-7622
email ja@interpac.net
www.malu-aina.org

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